There was an article over on My Blog Uptopia a few days ago about the Buy.com/eBay partnership.
If you are just tuning in, let’s recap. Buy.com has been selling on eBay for a few months now. While big companies selling on eBay is noting new (I know I drooled over the parts of Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride that Disney was auctioning off a few years ago), sellers were upset over what appeared to be special treatment of Buy.com. Namely, Buy.com didn’t seem to have to keep to the same selling standards as regular sellers and wasn’t paying the same fees. In the interest of honesty, though I have heard these complaints many time, I have never seen evidence of this so this may just be a rumor.
But the main problem is that, if Buy.com is getting special favors, then this goes against eBay Founder Pierre Omidyar’s “level playing field” idea on which eBay was built. His vision was that no one got any special favors, no matter how big a retailer they were, so everyone had equal chance to make a sale.
Now, part of what got everyone worked up about this is that Buy.com got their special deal and, only after sellers cried foul, did eBay introduce a Diamond Level PowerSeller which, essentially, is a level of PS that does get special treatment (negotiable fees, etc). They also announced that 500 other retailers would be joining Buy.com soon (we assume the JetBlue partnership falls under this Diamond umbrella).
So sellers are upset that the big companies are getting to swoop into eBay and sell their stuff alongside the little guys and are getting special treatment to boot. Titanium PowerSeller ColderICE put this best on Twitter last week. He said (and I am paraphrasing), “It’s not just that Walmart is moving into town to compete with the small businesses. It’s that Walmart is getting the land for free and getting a tax break.” I think this really sums up how most people feel about this.
To recap us back to the present, some disgruntled sellers have written up a letter that they want other sellers to send to Buy.com calling them a bully and threatening a boycott. The letter is long so I am going to just link to it on Randy’s blog.
Now here is where I diverge from popular opinion and tick people off. That letter is childish, unprofessional and downright embarrassing. If I may unleash a cliche on you, if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the eBay. It is immature sellers like this that give the rest of us who act like professionals a bad name.
This is the equivalent of the local pizza shop owner going walking into a Pizza Hut and yelling at the kids behind the counter, “You guys are mean old bullies because you are competing with my business.” You can’t just throw a tantrum and expect your competition to fold up because they made you sad. Adjust your business to meet the challenges thrown at it!
Buy.com has existed for many years before they started selling on eBay. It’s certainly cheaper for them to sell on their own site than it is for them to sell on eBay and, on most items, they have raised their prices on eBay to reflect this. The competition from them and their items has always been there, more so if they could sell things for less on their site. If you consider your only competition to be people selling on the exact same platform as you, there is a fundamental flaw in how you run your business. It makes no difference if Buy.com is beating your price on an item on their own site or on eBay. If you have run your business well, your buyers will still choose your item because they prefer the customer experience that you have created. Everyone who is selling the same items as you is your competition regardless of if they are selling on the same site as you or not.
Secondly, Buy.com and other partnerships like it are what could save eBay. They bring in money, they bring in buyers and, most importantly, they bring in trust. I would much prefer an eBay newbie’s first experience was with a well oiled machine like Buy.com than a 2 feedback scammer selling boxes with an “x” on them and calling it an X-Box. And every transaction that a buyer completes on eBay that goes well is another buyer who is likely to come back and buy from someone else. Also, the more products they have listed, the more chance buyers will see your items while looking at theirs. It’s common sense!
Since they have appeared on the scene, I have actually purchased from Buy.com several times. It wasn’t intentional, it was just a matter of, they had what I needed and it was the best deal. They don’t always have the best price and there are quite a few eBay sellers that have them beat on many items so I make my decision case by case. But as a buyer, I have no complaints with them. There is more merchandise on eBay and, as a buyer, I don’t really care why it’s there as long as its there.
As for the special treatment, I agree that this Diamond PowerSeller was handled poorly in how it was rolled out. However, since they have made this a PowerSeller level, it means that it is attainable by anyone who reaches that sale point. I would prefer for them to publish the rates so everything was more transparent, sure, but I maintain that special treatment is irrelevant.
No matter how many benefits eBay is giving them, it still costs more for Buy.com to sell on eBay and use PayPal. This means that they are having to take less of a profit margin to provide the exact same competition that they were providing before on their own website. No matter how many breaks they are getting, they are still paying eBay for the privileged of having their items on the site which, when you already have a huge retail site of your own, cuts into your bottom line.
I won’t even get into the fact that Buy.com has a much higher cost of overhead than most eBay sellers so that sellers can probably beat them on the cost of most items.
I don’t buy from Staples because they are the cheapest, I buy from
them because every time anything has ever gone wrong, they have fixed
it immediately. I buy from them because, for a little extra, I get
peace of mind in my purchase. The same applies everywhere. If you as a
small company can provide a better customer service experience, buyers
will still come to you no matter how much competition there is.
So, essentially, Buy.com has to raise their prices to be able to sell on eBay and eBay sellers are complaining because, while you were cool with their lower prices competing with yours on their own website, their higher prices are appearing on eBay upset you because, what, they are too close? Mommy, he’s touching me? He’s a bully!
Give me a break. This is not an after school soccer game. This is a business. There are no fouls, no time outs, no penalties for paying rough. The problem is that some sellers are still running their business as if it was an after school soccer game.
Of course the bigger fish are going to make deals. Of course you are going to have competition. If the competition is too much, you need to rethink your business or close up shop, that is how business works. If your business crumples under the first sign of competition, you shouldn’t be wasting your time on a letter writing complain, you should be reworking your business model so it is profitable again.
I cannot imagine that Buy.com would take this letter campaign seriously but, as a buyer and seller both, I am hoping they don’t.


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While I agree that the letter campaign is not the way to deal with this matter, I disagree with the benefit of having Buy.com on the eBay site.
As a seller, there is no benefit to me if Buy attracts customers because I don’t sell in their product line. The vast majority of visitors to eBay are not browsing. They come for a specific product. They come, they buy, they leave.
If I was selling in the categories Buy does, I would be (as many are) mad as hell. Due to the apparent deal (yes I do believe there is a deal) struck by eBay and Buy, they are receiving significant discounts if not free listings and paying only on sales. Now while I agree with this pricing structure, it should be across the board and include all sellers.
Finally because Best Match is so overwhelmingly weighted towards volume sellers, the sellers that don’t have 700,000+ plus items to sell are not seen with the same frequency as sellers such as Buy.
Yes, this is a “business” for some, but the overwhelming majority of sellers are just trying to sell things to either shore up their Brick & Mortar businesses or create additional income to support themselves. According to some numbers 1.3 million sellers were making their living on eBay. This number is declining drastically as Big Box sellers take over the marketplace.
Yes business is business, and businesses must do what is best for their business models. eBay is certainly doing this and we as sellers must as well. The truth is for my business eBay no longer makes sense as the primary marketplace so I have spread my wings and migrated to venues that truly want my business, my products, and the following I bring. eBay simply does not seem to care what the lower volume unique item seller brings to the marketplace.
While I agree that the letter campaign is not the way to deal with this matter, I disagree with the benefit of having Buy.com on the eBay site.
As a seller, there is no benefit to me if Buy attracts customers because I don’t sell in their product line. The vast majority of visitors to eBay are not browsing. They come for a specific product. They come, they buy, they leave.
If I was selling in the categories Buy does, I would be (as many are) mad as hell. Due to the apparent deal (yes I do believe there is a deal) struck by eBay and Buy, they are receiving significant discounts if not free listings and paying only on sales. Now while I agree with this pricing structure, it should be across the board and include all sellers.
Finally because Best Match is so overwhelmingly weighted towards volume sellers, the sellers that don’t have 700,000+ plus items to sell are not seen with the same frequency as sellers such as Buy.
Yes, this is a “business” for some, but the overwhelming majority of sellers are just trying to sell things to either shore up their Brick & Mortar businesses or create additional income to support themselves. According to some numbers 1.3 million sellers were making their living on eBay. This number is declining drastically as Big Box sellers take over the marketplace.
Yes business is business, and businesses must do what is best for their business models. eBay is certainly doing this and we as sellers must as well. The truth is for my business eBay no longer makes sense as the primary marketplace so I have spread my wings and migrated to venues that truly want my business, my products, and the following I bring. eBay simply does not seem to care what the lower volume unique item seller brings to the marketplace.
Your primary point seems to be that it’s fair for Buy.com to use their size and leverage to get special deals on eBay, yet at the same time you say it’s unfair for eBay sellers to use their size (large numbers) and leverage (influence with their customers, bloggers, media) to drive Buy.com off eBay. What’s fair is fair. If Buy.com wants to use everything at their disposal (as businesses are allowed to do) to grow their business, at the expense of hard working small business owners the world over, then Buy.com is going to face competition that may come in innovative and disruptive forms. As long as everyone obeys the law there is no such thing as a whining seller. Free speech is encouraged and we value all opinions.
The groundswell we are witnessing of sellers and buyers wanting to preserve the community aspects of eBay are something that should be embraced by eBay management. Tapping this community is eBay’s key to success. Amazon cannot compete with the eBay community any more than Buy.com can. Without the community eBay is nothing.
eBay is a closed market ecosystem. Most buyers start their buying at eBay.com, not Google or Price Comparison Engines. Therefore, the eBay marketplace is not in direct competition with Buy.com’s website. If they were, Buy.com would not need to list on eBay. So the fact the Buy.com is selling on eBay means that eBay provides customers that Buy.com would not normally get. So Buy.com on eBay is direct competition for sellers that did not exist on the marketplace before.
Pierre Omidyar knew that giving special deals to large, off-eBay sellers would ruin the community aspects required for eBay to remain a viable stand-alone market. He actually said it would be “a disaster.” Buy.com and other Diamond sellers drain buyers from the market. Why go back to eBay to buy, when you get all these marketing emails from Buy.com? Multiply this over 100+ Diamond sellers and eBay has no brand left whatsoever. Diamond sellers won’t give back to the community like eBay sellers have.
Americans have had enough with special deals for Wall Street, Insurance companies, Banks, Big Oil, and others. Buy.com doesn’t need a bailout and secret deal at the expense of eBay sellers and the community.
eBay sellers need to stand up and take back their marketplace like we are taking back our country this November.
Your primary point seems to be that it’s fair for Buy.com to use their size and leverage to get special deals on eBay, yet at the same time you say it’s unfair for eBay sellers to use their size (large numbers) and leverage (influence with their customers, bloggers, media) to drive Buy.com off eBay. What’s fair is fair. If Buy.com wants to use everything at their disposal (as businesses are allowed to do) to grow their business, at the expense of hard working small business owners the world over, then Buy.com is going to face competition that may come in innovative and disruptive forms. As long as everyone obeys the law there is no such thing as a whining seller. Free speech is encouraged and we value all opinions.
The groundswell we are witnessing of sellers and buyers wanting to preserve the community aspects of eBay are something that should be embraced by eBay management. Tapping this community is eBay’s key to success. Amazon cannot compete with the eBay community any more than Buy.com can. Without the community eBay is nothing.
eBay is a closed market ecosystem. Most buyers start their buying at eBay.com, not Google or Price Comparison Engines. Therefore, the eBay marketplace is not in direct competition with Buy.com’s website. If they were, Buy.com would not need to list on eBay. So the fact the Buy.com is selling on eBay means that eBay provides customers that Buy.com would not normally get. So Buy.com on eBay is direct competition for sellers that did not exist on the marketplace before.
Pierre Omidyar knew that giving special deals to large, off-eBay sellers would ruin the community aspects required for eBay to remain a viable stand-alone market. He actually said it would be “a disaster.” Buy.com and other Diamond sellers drain buyers from the market. Why go back to eBay to buy, when you get all these marketing emails from Buy.com? Multiply this over 100+ Diamond sellers and eBay has no brand left whatsoever. Diamond sellers won’t give back to the community like eBay sellers have.
Americans have had enough with special deals for Wall Street, Insurance companies, Banks, Big Oil, and others. Buy.com doesn’t need a bailout and secret deal at the expense of eBay sellers and the community.
eBay sellers need to stand up and take back their marketplace like we are taking back our country this November.
Thanks to Randy at My Blog Utopia for posting the link.
You have hit the nail on the head. I have never understood the lunatic ravings that come out when changes are made that make mountains out of molehills and focus on minor issues when the big ones go un-noticed.
ADAPT people – make reasonable choices to protect YOUR business interests. If you want to complain to eBay, do so in a thoughtful manner and outline your concerns clearly. If eBay is untenable for you – move on. But petulant whining is absurd.
BTW – this is the same type of hue and cry that came out for B&M stores as the big-boxes started expanding. In all the trades were story after story about how the big boxers were putting Main St out of business.
I never understood it. Adapt – business and life are ALWAYS changing.
Many of the whiners went out of business (and a few good good folks too – but that’s life.) But many store owners ADAPTED and made changes – to service, to marketing, to inventory – whatever it took to show customers that buying from them was an all-around better experience.
Thanks to Randy at My Blog Utopia for posting the link.
You have hit the nail on the head. I have never understood the lunatic ravings that come out when changes are made that make mountains out of molehills and focus on minor issues when the big ones go un-noticed.
ADAPT people – make reasonable choices to protect YOUR business interests. If you want to complain to eBay, do so in a thoughtful manner and outline your concerns clearly. If eBay is untenable for you – move on. But petulant whining is absurd.
BTW – this is the same type of hue and cry that came out for B&M stores as the big-boxes started expanding. In all the trades were story after story about how the big boxers were putting Main St out of business.
I never understood it. Adapt – business and life are ALWAYS changing.
Many of the whiners went out of business (and a few good good folks too – but that’s life.) But many store owners ADAPTED and made changes – to service, to marketing, to inventory – whatever it took to show customers that buying from them was an all-around better experience.
Sorry for the delay in my reply. I wrote this post yesterday and it posted while I was sick in bed this morning.
One thing I really meant to put in this post (which I seem to never have said) is why are people writing to Buy.com and not eBay? That is what, to me, pushes this into childishness. If you think Buy.com is getting special deals and that upsets you, then its eBay you want to talk to, not Buy.
Dave W: I definitely see what you are saying but I still maintain that Buy.com existing outside of eBay and on eBay are the exact same thing from the perspective of your business. I also understand that for some sellers eBay is not their best option anymore, which is fine. For me, as a seller still selling on eBay as well as a buyer on eBay, Buy.com is good for me. If Buy.com is bad for you because you are no longer selling on eBay (which is logic I am not sure that I follow) then so be it. We are in different circumstances so of course we will think differently.
3p Seller please don’t misunderstand me. I do not thing its unfair for eBay sellers to write a letter to Buy.com. Unfair would be the last word I would choose. I think its childish, immature, unprofessional (choose your synonym). Just because its fair and I have freedom of speech to scream in the middle of my Walmart that they are all “mean poopie heads” doesn’t mean it’s mature. As I have said on this blog before, I understand that some people loved the community aspect of selling on eBay but that is dead and gone and, as a more professional seller, I couldn’t be gladder to see it go. If you want a hug and a penpal with your sale, I heard Bonanzle is growing everyday. eBay has matured into a real marketplace and the smaller sellers who want to be professional have stayed but the dancing gif, I only ship on Mondays crowd has either adjusted or left and it making it a better experience for buyers.
Maybe if the letter had been written a little better, been a bit less childish and had been addressed to eBay and not Buy.com I could have gotten behind it but what is going around is just childish. And, I am sorry to say it, but childish is how a lot of sellers are acting.
Robyn: I couldn’t agree more. I appreciate your posting. I know on most blogs I am a lone standout with this opinion so its nice to have back up. 🙂
When all these changes first started happening, I felt like “OMG everyone is leaving eBay, it’s falling apart AHHHH!” Then, I started to realize that actually very few sellers had left and, those that did leave were mostly dead weight with a few exceptions. The marketplace has changed and for the better. Buying something on eBay now from any seller, hobby or professional, is much more of a pleasure than before and, while finding is annoying, you can change your defaults and circumvent it easily.
What all of this amounts to is a few disgruntled sellers who would rather eBay stay frozen in time than adapt their business to the changing times. They want the world to think that they represent all the eBay sellers leaving in droves. Mainstream media even picked up this story for a while about how sellers were leaving en masse. It’s just not true, plain and simple. If your business doesn’t work on eBay anymore and you make the decision to leave to try something else, I applaud you for having the guts and maturity to try something new for your business. For those of you that left only to try to whine eBay back into the old ways, why are you bothering? Your business is never going to survive future changes in the economy if you never change it so why waste your efforts on trying to make sure nothing ever changes instead of adapting to change?
3P you don’t see the irony that in the same comment you demanded that we get change in the government but asked eBay to go back to the old ways?
Do I agree with everything eBay does? Heck no. Am I staying as long as the buyers are there? You betcha. And when the buyers leave, I am outta there for whatever is best for my business.
Sorry for the delay in my reply. I wrote this post yesterday and it posted while I was sick in bed this morning.
One thing I really meant to put in this post (which I seem to never have said) is why are people writing to Buy.com and not eBay? That is what, to me, pushes this into childishness. If you think Buy.com is getting special deals and that upsets you, then its eBay you want to talk to, not Buy.
Dave W: I definitely see what you are saying but I still maintain that Buy.com existing outside of eBay and on eBay are the exact same thing from the perspective of your business. I also understand that for some sellers eBay is not their best option anymore, which is fine. For me, as a seller still selling on eBay as well as a buyer on eBay, Buy.com is good for me. If Buy.com is bad for you because you are no longer selling on eBay (which is logic I am not sure that I follow) then so be it. We are in different circumstances so of course we will think differently.
3p Seller please don’t misunderstand me. I do not thing its unfair for eBay sellers to write a letter to Buy.com. Unfair would be the last word I would choose. I think its childish, immature, unprofessional (choose your synonym). Just because its fair and I have freedom of speech to scream in the middle of my Walmart that they are all “mean poopie heads” doesn’t mean it’s mature. As I have said on this blog before, I understand that some people loved the community aspect of selling on eBay but that is dead and gone and, as a more professional seller, I couldn’t be gladder to see it go. If you want a hug and a penpal with your sale, I heard Bonanzle is growing everyday. eBay has matured into a real marketplace and the smaller sellers who want to be professional have stayed but the dancing gif, I only ship on Mondays crowd has either adjusted or left and it making it a better experience for buyers.
Maybe if the letter had been written a little better, been a bit less childish and had been addressed to eBay and not Buy.com I could have gotten behind it but what is going around is just childish. And, I am sorry to say it, but childish is how a lot of sellers are acting.
Robyn: I couldn’t agree more. I appreciate your posting. I know on most blogs I am a lone standout with this opinion so its nice to have back up. 🙂
When all these changes first started happening, I felt like “OMG everyone is leaving eBay, it’s falling apart AHHHH!” Then, I started to realize that actually very few sellers had left and, those that did leave were mostly dead weight with a few exceptions. The marketplace has changed and for the better. Buying something on eBay now from any seller, hobby or professional, is much more of a pleasure than before and, while finding is annoying, you can change your defaults and circumvent it easily.
What all of this amounts to is a few disgruntled sellers who would rather eBay stay frozen in time than adapt their business to the changing times. They want the world to think that they represent all the eBay sellers leaving in droves. Mainstream media even picked up this story for a while about how sellers were leaving en masse. It’s just not true, plain and simple. If your business doesn’t work on eBay anymore and you make the decision to leave to try something else, I applaud you for having the guts and maturity to try something new for your business. For those of you that left only to try to whine eBay back into the old ways, why are you bothering? Your business is never going to survive future changes in the economy if you never change it so why waste your efforts on trying to make sure nothing ever changes instead of adapting to change?
3P you don’t see the irony that in the same comment you demanded that we get change in the government but asked eBay to go back to the old ways?
Do I agree with everything eBay does? Heck no. Am I staying as long as the buyers are there? You betcha. And when the buyers leave, I am outta there for whatever is best for my business.
Hey there. One thing I keep reminding sellers is this:
Someone sells to buy.com. There is someone higher in the food chain. Worry about THOSE people, especially in non-MAP situations.
A couple of my clients, who sell on eBay (and other places) ARE the factory in China. They are the manufacturer. Nobody will be able to compete with their price. They know the product, they can answer questions, and they’re going to have the best price.
I have eBay seller clients who sell TO Wal-Mart. So for people who are afraid that Wal-Mart and Best Buy and so on will come on to eBay, well two things:
1) Don’t forget the people who sell TO them!
2) You compete with them now. I have spoken to zillions of buyers over the years, and many of them are already comparing items on eBay to what’s at Wal-Mart, Target, IKEA, Best Buy, etc…
I’m not saying I’m FOR these relationships, but I did do a blog post about what I think of these relationships. From May 2008: http://aswas.typepad.com/hall_of_fame/2008/05/who-to-blame-fo.html
Hey there. One thing I keep reminding sellers is this:
Someone sells to buy.com. There is someone higher in the food chain. Worry about THOSE people, especially in non-MAP situations.
A couple of my clients, who sell on eBay (and other places) ARE the factory in China. They are the manufacturer. Nobody will be able to compete with their price. They know the product, they can answer questions, and they’re going to have the best price.
I have eBay seller clients who sell TO Wal-Mart. So for people who are afraid that Wal-Mart and Best Buy and so on will come on to eBay, well two things:
1) Don’t forget the people who sell TO them!
2) You compete with them now. I have spoken to zillions of buyers over the years, and many of them are already comparing items on eBay to what’s at Wal-Mart, Target, IKEA, Best Buy, etc…
I’m not saying I’m FOR these relationships, but I did do a blog post about what I think of these relationships. From May 2008: http://aswas.typepad.com/hall_of_fame/2008/05/who-to-blame-fo.html
Debbie, I like your take on the Buy.com thing (from your post). The idea of it being that maybe talk of boycotts and letter campaigns backfired and that is why eBay had to saddle up Buy.com in the first place to make sure that the number of items on the site didn’t go down. I don’t know if that’s true but its an interesting way to think of it.
What blows my mind about all of this is exactly what you are saying. There are tons of other companies with more competitive power than Buy.com! It’s so weird that all the hatred is directed towards them.
Debbie, I like your take on the Buy.com thing (from your post). The idea of it being that maybe talk of boycotts and letter campaigns backfired and that is why eBay had to saddle up Buy.com in the first place to make sure that the number of items on the site didn’t go down. I don’t know if that’s true but its an interesting way to think of it.
What blows my mind about all of this is exactly what you are saying. There are tons of other companies with more competitive power than Buy.com! It’s so weird that all the hatred is directed towards them.
People are writing to Buy.com and not eBay because eBay is tone deaf to their community. eBay hears but does not listen. Anyone that’s attended an eBay LIVE in the last few years, read a blog, or is watching the stock price knows that.
Buy.com has a good reputation on the internet and they probably want to keep that intact. Writing to them and expressing our dislike for their entry into the eBay marketplace (in such a predatory and unfair manner) is making them aware of damage they are doing to their brand. I believe businesses have a requirement to be good citizens.
Fracturing the eBay marketplace and wiping out small businesses across America in the name of profit are not the actions of a good citizen. Even if they were invited by eBay into the marketplace, Buy.com could have said ‘No, we don’t want the appearance of being an evil company’. It is probably true that this thought never crossed the minds of eBay’s Bain consultants or Scot Blum or Buy.com CEO Neel Grover… but they realize now the negative impact Buy.com has had on the eBay marketplace as a whole. More Diamonds will destroy it completely.
Buy.com has a large 3P seller base themselves. Driving their own sellers out of business with their secret deals on eBay is not the best way to lure more 3P sellers to their platform. As word of this spreads on the internet, Buy.com’s sales and marketplace will follow eBay’s into the dumpster.
Buy.com started selling on eBay just before Thanksgiving 2007, their contract is probably up for renewal. It should not be renewed.
I agree that the bar for selling on eBay needed to be raised, and it has. DSR’s are good. FP30 is good. No negatives for buyers is good. Seller requirements are good. There are many sellers on eBay that are competing fiercely with Buy.com, in Media, Books, Computers, everywhere. Buy.com brings nothing new to eBay that was not already for sale and they are not needed.
Free CORE eBay listings for Top Internet 500 retailers would NOT be good. We know eBay will do it, so the only alternative is for the community to explain to these retailers why it would NOT be good for them or us.Hopefully this explains why informing Buy.com of our dislike for their selling on eBay is a GOOD thing for everyone, including Buy.com.
People are writing to Buy.com and not eBay because eBay is tone deaf to their community. eBay hears but does not listen. Anyone that’s attended an eBay LIVE in the last few years, read a blog, or is watching the stock price knows that.
Buy.com has a good reputation on the internet and they probably want to keep that intact. Writing to them and expressing our dislike for their entry into the eBay marketplace (in such a predatory and unfair manner) is making them aware of damage they are doing to their brand. I believe businesses have a requirement to be good citizens.
Fracturing the eBay marketplace and wiping out small businesses across America in the name of profit are not the actions of a good citizen. Even if they were invited by eBay into the marketplace, Buy.com could have said ‘No, we don’t want the appearance of being an evil company’. It is probably true that this thought never crossed the minds of eBay’s Bain consultants or Scot Blum or Buy.com CEO Neel Grover… but they realize now the negative impact Buy.com has had on the eBay marketplace as a whole. More Diamonds will destroy it completely.
Buy.com has a large 3P seller base themselves. Driving their own sellers out of business with their secret deals on eBay is not the best way to lure more 3P sellers to their platform. As word of this spreads on the internet, Buy.com’s sales and marketplace will follow eBay’s into the dumpster.
Buy.com started selling on eBay just before Thanksgiving 2007, their contract is probably up for renewal. It should not be renewed.
I agree that the bar for selling on eBay needed to be raised, and it has. DSR’s are good. FP30 is good. No negatives for buyers is good. Seller requirements are good. There are many sellers on eBay that are competing fiercely with Buy.com, in Media, Books, Computers, everywhere. Buy.com brings nothing new to eBay that was not already for sale and they are not needed.
Free CORE eBay listings for Top Internet 500 retailers would NOT be good. We know eBay will do it, so the only alternative is for the community to explain to these retailers why it would NOT be good for them or us.Hopefully this explains why informing Buy.com of our dislike for their selling on eBay is a GOOD thing for everyone, including Buy.com.
While I agree with the majority of your post this
“since they have made this a PowerSeller level, it means that it is attainable by anyone who reaches that sale point.”
is logical but not fact based. Your statement is based on common sense and indeed in theory Diamond PowerSeller status should be attainable by anyone.
In fact, and I received this information in an off the record phone conversation so I can not ethically point you to the horses mouth source; Diamond PowerSellers are by invitation. Don’t call us we’ll call you.
It is also fact per rksmythe, that eBay has always refused to negotiate with existing volume sellers. This of course makes perfect business sense on their part. Why should eBay negotiate a decrease in revenue with a business they already have on the hook?
I have had a question in with Richard Brewer-Hay for months about Diamond qualification, repeated several times. RBH is VERY good about answering when he can. The fact that I have not received an answer is telling. eBay has always revealed more by what they do not say than in the words they use to say something. Never assume from eBay’s announcements.
Good post, thank you, get well soon!
While I agree with the majority of your post this
“since they have made this a PowerSeller level, it means that it is attainable by anyone who reaches that sale point.”
is logical but not fact based. Your statement is based on common sense and indeed in theory Diamond PowerSeller status should be attainable by anyone.
In fact, and I received this information in an off the record phone conversation so I can not ethically point you to the horses mouth source; Diamond PowerSellers are by invitation. Don’t call us we’ll call you.
It is also fact per rksmythe, that eBay has always refused to negotiate with existing volume sellers. This of course makes perfect business sense on their part. Why should eBay negotiate a decrease in revenue with a business they already have on the hook?
I have had a question in with Richard Brewer-Hay for months about Diamond qualification, repeated several times. RBH is VERY good about answering when he can. The fact that I have not received an answer is telling. eBay has always revealed more by what they do not say than in the words they use to say something. Never assume from eBay’s announcements.
Good post, thank you, get well soon!
Mixed feelings on the letter itself. I think the letter is a good idea in theory though I disagree with in principal–hey, this method has worked once already, so why not give it a shot? I’ve harped on the idea of it losing any effectiveness it may have by being anonymous, but that’s easily fixed.
For the most part I agree with what you say about Buy itself though. If you’re the big boy, bringing both your volume and business inside somebody’s door, you’re going to get a break on rates. I think of ad rates on placing a tiny classified vs. shelling out for a full-page ad–who’s paying the least per inch for their space? The big guy. They bring volume and they bring their brand.
What’s backfired here for eBay is that instead of being excited that the Buy.com brand had come on board their ship, their other customers (us) have instead threatened mutiny.
Great post, Cliff
Mixed feelings on the letter itself. I think the letter is a good idea in theory though I disagree with in principal–hey, this method has worked once already, so why not give it a shot? I’ve harped on the idea of it losing any effectiveness it may have by being anonymous, but that’s easily fixed.
For the most part I agree with what you say about Buy itself though. If you’re the big boy, bringing both your volume and business inside somebody’s door, you’re going to get a break on rates. I think of ad rates on placing a tiny classified vs. shelling out for a full-page ad–who’s paying the least per inch for their space? The big guy. They bring volume and they bring their brand.
What’s backfired here for eBay is that instead of being excited that the Buy.com brand had come on board their ship, their other customers (us) have instead threatened mutiny.
Great post, Cliff
Randy and I were talking about this Diamond PowerSeller thing offline today. Here is where I was coming from on this. I am hearing “thousands of sellers are leaving” which turned out to not be true and “eBay is crippled by boycott” which turned out not to be true. So my natural reaction is to be skeptical especially since I had only heard rumors of “there are sellers who eBay has refused Diamond Level” but no actual names.
Because no one is “on the record” with this (ie, there is no seller sitting down saying, this is how much I make on eBay a month, why am I not Diamond? Publicly) I didn’t want to go there because this could all just be a rumor/conspiracy theory. I am leaning towards believing it is true because Donahoe is a bit on the dim side and would do something dumb like this, but I feel like I cannot really address it until I know for sure its true.
That said, I think, while its sleazy, it’s actually irrelevant to this discussion. All it reinforces to me is that this letter campaign is misplaced and silly. If eBay passes the discounts onto these new Diamond sellers, will they also be called bullies and get their own special letter?
If you are upset with eBay’s policies, write to eBay. Writing to your competitor to whine is still the part I am having trouble with.
Randy and I were talking about this Diamond PowerSeller thing offline today. Here is where I was coming from on this. I am hearing “thousands of sellers are leaving” which turned out to not be true and “eBay is crippled by boycott” which turned out not to be true. So my natural reaction is to be skeptical especially since I had only heard rumors of “there are sellers who eBay has refused Diamond Level” but no actual names.
Because no one is “on the record” with this (ie, there is no seller sitting down saying, this is how much I make on eBay a month, why am I not Diamond? Publicly) I didn’t want to go there because this could all just be a rumor/conspiracy theory. I am leaning towards believing it is true because Donahoe is a bit on the dim side and would do something dumb like this, but I feel like I cannot really address it until I know for sure its true.
That said, I think, while its sleazy, it’s actually irrelevant to this discussion. All it reinforces to me is that this letter campaign is misplaced and silly. If eBay passes the discounts onto these new Diamond sellers, will they also be called bullies and get their own special letter?
If you are upset with eBay’s policies, write to eBay. Writing to your competitor to whine is still the part I am having trouble with.
You are absolutely correct that the letter is childish and poorly written. It is whiny. Although I AM a boycotter I am not a ranter. I don’t do petitions (begging and whining). I don’t do lemming like mass stampedes to a specific voted on venue. My business is not a democracy and one of the reasons I am off eBay is that I am ‘the decider’ in my business.
Would you, as a very large seller earning the majority of your income on eBay, go on record to state that you had asked for Diamond and been refused?
Wouldn’t that make you look unprofessional and whiny too?
You are absolutely correct that the letter is childish and poorly written. It is whiny. Although I AM a boycotter I am not a ranter. I don’t do petitions (begging and whining). I don’t do lemming like mass stampedes to a specific voted on venue. My business is not a democracy and one of the reasons I am off eBay is that I am ‘the decider’ in my business.
Would you, as a very large seller earning the majority of your income on eBay, go on record to state that you had asked for Diamond and been refused?
Wouldn’t that make you look unprofessional and whiny too?
I’m not specifically asking anyone to go on the record. i am just adding a grain of salt to everything until I know it for a fact. 🙂
I’m not specifically asking anyone to go on the record. i am just adding a grain of salt to everything until I know it for a fact. 🙂
Huh, I thought I was the only one who thought the letter was ridiculous. To me, it came off as a whiny tantrum, which makes eBay sellers look like the the unprofessional “noise” that has been part of the whole problem. I’m with you on applauding the more professional approach eBay has been taking toward selling. I may not agree with everything they do, but they’re still the best game in town.
One thing that always has me scratching my head is that high-volume sellers spent years asking for discounts, and now that they have them (in the form of powerseller discounts) they’re complaining about sellers bigger than themselves getting more breaks than they get. Volume has always meant discounts in business. If you buy more from your supplier, you usually get a better unit price, don’t you? eBay is just doing the same thing.
There are always bigger fish in the pond and there are going to be areas where the little guy simply won’t be able to compete on pricing. You just have to adapt your business and move on. If you can’t do that, then you really need to rethink your business plan.
Huh, I thought I was the only one who thought the letter was ridiculous. To me, it came off as a whiny tantrum, which makes eBay sellers look like the the unprofessional “noise” that has been part of the whole problem. I’m with you on applauding the more professional approach eBay has been taking toward selling. I may not agree with everything they do, but they’re still the best game in town.
One thing that always has me scratching my head is that high-volume sellers spent years asking for discounts, and now that they have them (in the form of powerseller discounts) they’re complaining about sellers bigger than themselves getting more breaks than they get. Volume has always meant discounts in business. If you buy more from your supplier, you usually get a better unit price, don’t you? eBay is just doing the same thing.
There are always bigger fish in the pond and there are going to be areas where the little guy simply won’t be able to compete on pricing. You just have to adapt your business and move on. If you can’t do that, then you really need to rethink your business plan.