Of all the new platforms and marketplaces out there, the one that caught my fancy the most recently was eCrater. The biggest selling point is that they are 100% free with no fees. Think of them as a craigslist style posting board that looks and feels more like an e-commerce site like eBay.
Unlike a lot of new marketplaces, they actually had a lot of people buying and selling the exact kinds of items I usually sell (collectibles) so that was a big selling point for me as a buyer and seller both. Then I got really ticked at the platform because of a security flaw so I deleted my account entirely before I really got to give it an honest try. (In the interest of clarity, this was about a year ago so they have likely fixed this security flaw by now, I haven’t checked. It also may be something that normal people would have considered a minor thing and I may be a diva. No one can say for sure. ;-))
But I still thought the marketplace had a lot of potential and I wanted to find out more about whether it was worth starting up a presence on eCrater. So I have enlisted Stacy Anderson (on Twitter as @itsmestacy) who has found success selling online on both eBay and eCrater to give us a review from the perspective of someone who has used eCrater extensively. Selling clothing out of Fort Worth, Texas, Stacy has been selling on eBay since July 2000 and on her own eCrater websites TheCheapSkirt.com and TheUglySweaterShop.com for a few months now.
I’d really like to thank you for joining us on the blog today to share your experiences. First thing, can you tell you a little about yourself and how you got started selling online.
I started selling just things I had but no longer needed around my house 10 years ago. I was amazed because back then you could put a pair of used Levis on eBay and get $20 for them, without even having a picture. This was about $19.50 more than you’d get for them at a garage sale. Back then, auctions were the only way to buy on eBay and it was exciting starting something out at a penny and seeing the price go up. (That doesn’t happen very often on eBay in the clothing categories anymore, I’d say not for the past 5 years or so.)
I was living in Wisconsin at the time and had access to a lot of Green Bay Packers related items, and breweriana (everyone had beer signs in their basements up there), so I did sell a little of both in addition to clothing, but after I moved to Texas 3 years ago I began to focus primarily on clothing, shoes and accessories.
Was the move to eCrater motivated out of anything specific that happened on eBay or were you just trying out other things?
EBay’s price changes were a bit like the story of the frog and the boiling pot of water for me. A little increase here, a little increase there, I thought I could take them in stride.
But as the fees went up for me, search visibility went down as did sales. I found myself doing more and more advertising and legwork to bring in customers. Auctions would end with only one bidder, if that. Store items were difficult for buyers to find in search. Once Google stopped accepting individual feeds to Google Base (which was my main source of eBay store traffic), my sales were nearly at a standstill.
I decided that if I were going to to do the legwork to bring buyers to my items, it wasn’t worth it for me to pay eBay. I’d looked at their “job” as my advertising, and when it came to store items, they weren’t doing their job.
So I moved my store items to TheCheapSkirt.com at eCrater. And on that particular store, I can safely say that I haven’t sold any more or less there than I had been selling out of my store at eBay. So I wouldn’t call it a success, other than the fact I’ve saved on fees for those items that have sold.
However…
Sort of on a lark, around Halloween I opened TheUglySweaterShop.com, another eCrater store, primarily as a resource for people who needed something truly awful for an Ugly Sweater Party.
I’d blogged an “ugly sweater of the week” for a while and got a bit of a response, so when I’d see one when I was out on an inventory run, I’d pick it up. Pretty soon I had quite a “collection”, and I started listing them.
I realized that with a relatively new web presence, I wouldn’t rank high in Google searches, so I turned to social media instead. I started Tweeting about these ugly sweaters. I started a Facebook Fan page. I listened to my customers: they would lament that the sweaters on eBay were always too expensive, and I listed mine for less. I posted links to Ugly Sweater Party charity events. I retweeted pictures people had posted on Twitter of themselves modeling their own ugly sweaters. I became involved in the “ugly sweater community”, as it were.
Within 2 weeks my page views had skyrocketed. In the 6-week peak “ugly sweater” selling season, I had over 30,000 page views and had sold more than 75% of what I had listed, with emails and tweets asking for more. I couldn’t keep up! I was so unprepared for the success! And 75% of those page views came via Google (eCrater uploads a listing feed to Google Base 2x a week automatically for all of their stores–they became a Product Search Marketplace Partner with Google in November of 2009).
In comparison, I had one tacky Christmas sweater listed on eBay as a fixed price listing for a month. Only 40 page views. In an entire month. AND I was a Top Rated Seller at the time.
I moved it to TheUglySweaterShop.com and it sold within 24 hours and I had emails asking about it from others who also wanted it and missed out.
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I know I brought you in to talk about eCrator but you just gave us some fantastic examples of using social networking to build a business that really should be highlighted. I want to go back to your great ideas there in another post for sure but for now, let’s move on to … What sets eCrater apart from the other selling platforms out there?
Well, it is free. Free is good. And it is simple–there is no HTML in the listings (some may see that as a drawback, but I’ve seen so many poorly-formatted eBay listings that I find a text description to be very easy on the eyes).
They are a Google Product Search Marketplace Provider which, as I stated before, had a great bearing on the amount of traffic my eCrater stores have been getting. They have a fully integrated Google Checkout, so there is no fiddling with buttons/waiting for Google to approve your site, etc.
They are responsive to user requests. In the past I’ve asked them to add categories in their store structure, and they were added within days. They were very responsive. I’ve also requested an erroneous feedback be removed from my account, and they were quick to address that as well. Worlds apart from eBay in that regard!
I think eCrater is a great place to get a feel for how it would feel to sell somewhere other than eBay if you’ve only sold there. I learned all about Google Checkout via eCrater, including coupon codes, promotions, etc.
Some people I think confuse eCrater with eBay in that they think they can list things there and just “sit” on them, and the traffic will come in. It doesn’t work that way. Yes, people can shop all eCrater stores from the main eCrater.com page (think of that as an online mall of sorts), but the majority of traffic comes from people finding you from somewhere else. I’d say less than 1% of my traffic comes directly from eCrater, and those most likely are from postings on their message boards.
What do you feel like eCrater could improve on?
I’ve asked them to look into issues I’ve run across: I can’t seem to get some of the calculated international shipping options to work properly, their USPS Express Mail service states it is 1 day shipping time, which can be misleading to customers who are in areas where it takes 2 days for Express Mail (I asked them to switch it to 1-2 days after I refunded a disappointed customer who lived in a 2-day area who needed an item for a party and it arrived a day late).
Also if two people buy the exact same thing within minutes of each other, it can show as “double ordered”–had that happen a few times during the peak of “ugly sweater season” because traffic in my store was *that* brisk!
Although I’d like to see some more “customizability” (is that a word?)[Ed note: It is now! ;-)] in my store (layouts, the look of the landing page, etc), I realize it is a free site and the more bells and whistles they add, the more support they need and that costs money. I’m glad to see they put the focus on supporting the functionality of the site, rather than on making it prettier. If your core functions don’t work (like we’ve seen with eBay’s search), then it doesn’t matter how pretty something is if nobody will see it.
Where else have you sold? How do those other marketplaces compare to eCrater or even eBay?
I was a very early member of Bonanzle, but stopped selling there once they implemented a fee structure. Initially I was drawn to them the same reason I was drawn to ecrater: the KISS (keep it simple, stupid) approach they had to the site with no HTML in listings, ease of use, etc. Then with the fees they also started to move away from that, and since I hadn’t gotten any traffic in a few months, I didn’t feel it was right for me.
I have and still sell books on Amazon.com, but from my own personal stash. I love to read!
I used to sell on Half.com but since they merged their feedback in with eBay’s, I became concerned, as people are more likely to leave neutrals there and just one or two bad ratings can put my selling status on eBay at risk now that I’ve gone from a Powerseller to a small volume seller.
I used Auctiva to list on eBay and prior to eCrater, had considered getting one of their off-eBay store packages, but then they had that nasty situation with a virus that I didn’t feel was handled well, along with the way they implemented their fee increase (fee schedules changing almost daily, pressure to “lock in” a rate before it changed–total hard sell) and I no longer felt comfortable entrusting my business to them.
Putting your loyalties as a seller aside, which is your favorite online store to shop at and why?
Amazon.com, hands down. Mostly because I’ve talked my family members into making wish lists, so Christmas shopping is a breeze! They all live across the country so I just click, pay and have it shipped out!
With a depressed economy and all the changes in retail happening all the time, where do you see your business in 5 years? How are you adapting?
I don’t see myself as an online clothing magnate in 5 years, or anything so grand. 😉 I just feel fortunate to be able to do this as my primary source of income for the past two years. Despite our current economic crunch, I truly believe that by working for myself, the only thing that could be holding me back from more success is myself. That is why I’ve continually reassessed my business model and make changes, rather than pine for “the lost days of eBay”, a rut I see some of my fellow sellers get stuck in.
I’ve been recently starting on yet ANOTHER business model, this one ironically going back to using eBay as it will be auction-based, rather than fixed price. I don’t see it supplanting my other two stores, rather it will supplement them. I’m finding diversification makes me feel safest–not keeping all my eggs in one basket, so to speak.
Before next fall, I may move TheUglySweaterShop.com to its own space with its own shopping cart, as I feel it may have outgrown eCrater. I’d like to be able to better integrate my Ugly Sweater blog at uglysweaters.wordpress.com with the sales portion of the site, as well as make it more visually appealing and fun to shop. Another former eBay clothing seller, ShopNastyGal.com, is a great inspiration for me, she seems to have transitioned VERY successfully from eBay to a stand-alone site and has a great social media following. I think social media is a very inexpensive way to market and to keep in touch with what people really want.
I honestly see Google as the key to getting buyers in the future, as long as eBay is more and more cumbersome to weed through. I think it will matter less where your items are, and more than they are found by buyers. I actually searched for something on eBay today, and got a message that “Your search could not be performed at this time. Please try again later.” I tried it again later, and got the same message. I found what I was looking for on Google instead.
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I really want to thank Stacy for taking the time to answer my questions. I wanted to be able to give the platform a thorough review and evaluation and am very glad she was able to stop in and give us the in-depth perspective of someone doing some selling “in the trenches” as it were.
But what about you? Have you sold on eCrater? What were your experiences with the marketplace? Has Stacy convinced you to give it another try?
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Thanks, Hillary! I should note as an addendum to this that I've checked again today (I hadn't checked for a few weeks) and the international shipping issue I was having with eCrater appears to be resolved–all the appropriate USPS International Shipping options I've specified are now available to buyers as well.
Hi Hilary…I had to pop in on this one..I also sell on http://www.Bonanzle.com and I think it's a great site. it's friendly and my eBay items are easily uploaded from eBay. At the same time, I opened a store on http://www.iOffer.com. iOffer was shockingly unresponsive to my problems…from mixed up uploads from eBay…to pulling my listings for no apparent reason when others were selling the same items…to 50% non paying bidders. What a mess!! I closed my iOffer store about a month ago. I do have an eCrater account and I'll have to take another look. Thanks for the review..
Thank you for your addition! I don't remember if I ever tired ioffer so its great to hear what you thought about it.
I have actually tried selling on eCrater, but to no success. After reading this article though, I am really considering trying it again. I will agree in that the listing is easy, and the setup is easy as well. I wish I had more information on how I could use twitter and facebook to better advertise my business. I run a clothing business myself, as well as jewelry, called Fissare Clothing Company. If you have any suggestions for me (Please no spam) or some advice I would covet them greatly. I was an eBay seller for a while, but was throwing my money away on seller fees each month. I have my own domain (2, my corporate site and my webstore) but not doing any traffic to those. I also host a wordpress blog on my domain, but not having much success.
I was drawn to this webpage by a blog posted on Vendio, as I was thinking about investing the 10 dollar a month (I think) to cross-sell my items on eBay. Now i'm not too sure.
Again, I would welcome any comments or suggestions, especially from you Hillary. You seem to know what your talking about 🙂
I don't know if I always know what I'm talking about! 😉
I have actually been working on a series of tips for using Twitter, Facebook et al to market your business but I keep putting it on the backburner with all the other projects on my plate but I do really want to post it soon.
Do you have an specific questions about what you've tried before? I'm happy to address specifics as they almost always yield useful general info for everyone.
Oh and thank you for stopping by and reading! 🙂
Well, when it comes to my current business situation.
I closed my eBay store late last year because it wasn't making me any money hardly or none at all.
I actually first started on eCrater. I set everything up, went to work. I went ahead and signed up with Google Adwords. I coughed money into that.
I then realized I needed a domain, so I bought g-things.com . Tried to integrate a store on there using Zen Cart. Wasn't so bad, but it had its flaws. Still didn't sell anything. I tried using multiple stores on the same website (i.e. decor.g-things.com ; collectibles.g-things.com ; judaica.g-things.com) and to no avail did not get anything. So, I decided then to rename myself to Fissare Clothing Company.
Then, I went ahead and signed up for an eBid account, after all, 49.95 for Seller+ for life. I currently have a couple different stores over there as well but nothing is moving. I know its not as popular as eBay.
I even tried ePier before that, but it wasn't working at all either.
So, once I set up fissareclothing.com , I was using Zen Cart again at first, but switched over to Prestashop. I'm pretty satisfied with the shop setup, everything seems to be functioning proper. Now what I'm stuck on, is how can I get more traffic to my website?
I have a blog, at http://fissareclothing.com/blog ; WordPress, but haven't updated it lately. That is probably one problem. Plus, I don't know how to blog effectively as a business. If you had any tips on that or suggestions I would welcome that.
I signed up for a Twitter account with my business, and tried to post a couple “adverts” using it, but I don't think I'm having much success there. Course I haven't updated it lately either (Recurring problem, I know 🙂 )
I added a Facebook page as well for my business, but I don't think I'm effectively using it either.
There's a reason for not updating much, I didn't really give up, but nothing was working so I figured I would kind of put it on the back burner and focus on school (will graduate in may with B.S.).
But, I want to start things up again. I recently (couple months ago) opened a Vendio store to somewhat mimic my fissareclothing.com store. And, I was thinking about branching out to eBay again possibly, so I was thinking about signing up for the Vendio thing to where I can post my stuff on eBay as well. I'm not sure on the value of this yet though.
The way I look at it, I paid a lot of money for the hosting account, so I should probably focus more on the fissareclothing.com , am I right in this? I think search engines prefer a main domain name, but I'm unsure on this one.
Wow, that's a long post. My apologies 🙂 I could give you my entire life story on my business but it would probably be page after page. Perhaps I should blog about that on my personal blog.
Speaking of personal blog, I signed up with the whole $6 a year blog at gain6 . I was thinking by using an external blog as this, I could also sign up for a business one there and have it mirror what my current business blog is. Do you have any experience with gain6.com ?
Thanks again for replying. I look forward to seeing your post on Twitter and Facebook and such.
Aloha!
There is definitely a lot of advice I could give and I think you did make some mistakes along the way. Let me catch up after vacation and I will get together a series of posts that I think will speak to your needs.
Mahalo 🙂 I look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks for the great article. I just want to add that I personally love selling on ecrater.
I have been selling on Ebay for about 5 years under ID speedrazerx and for the first 3 1/2 it was great,I was definitely not getting rich but enjoying brisk sales of my toy collection.Then as with many others they stopped featuring our store listings and it dried up,currently I sell barely enough to pay the new monthly fees,and was in the negative last month for the first time.I mainly sell to get rid of the large collection I had accumulated over the years since my interests have changed,but for a while there I actually started buying and reselling various things I found at thrift stores locally at a profit and was really enjoying it so I considered it as a possible new career direction.Well now I've cut my inventory in half to save fees,and pretty much stopped my plans for the local stuff.About a month ago I started trying eCrater under the name cheapcollectibles and really enjoyed this article for the advertising ideas,I hope with the no fee structure,and trying to advertise,I can make some sales (only one so far) that are profitable to be able to try adding new things again.Oh and incidentally I have also noticed a massive reduction in Ebays more unusual product choices,which is what they are known for,and an increase in items from China,Hong Kong etc. with multiple duplicate listings for just about everything(sometimes hundreds),which is a massive annoyance trying to weed through while looking for things,so while choices are becoming limited,searches are taking longer so I've started looking elsewhere to buy as well.So I guess I understand my lack of Ebay sales,just dont like it.
Hello Hillary & Stacy.
I enjoyed reading this and really liked the question/answer style. My husband and I have also sold our products on Ebay. We didn't get rich, but we were comfortable with our sales and they were consistently rising for 5 yrs. We had 99.9%-100% Feedback most of the time. Then suddenly, as everyone else has experienced, fees raised, search results dropped, sales slowed down and our dsrs got marked down causing us to lose our high standing. I completely understand Ebay trying to weed out the bad sellers, but from what I have seen, they have weeded out alot of really great sellers in the process.
I was really afraid that without eBay, we would not be able to market our products and continue our business. When things started to go downhill with eBay, my husband found out about Etsy and Ecrater. We signed up for both, http://www.craftersnook.ecrater.com
and http://www.etsy.com/shop/Acraftersnook. It started off a little slow (compared to ebay), but then we were shocked at how well we started to do with both stores.
Etsy has listing fees of $ .20 per item for 1 qty which is the real drawback. But one great feature they have is that I was able to create a tab on my facebook page for My Etsy Store. SWEET! Ecrater is completely FREE and they work directly with google attributes which is one of the best features I have seen from any of the stores that I have used. They also accept Google Checkout! We have had success with both of these stores and I don't see any reason for us to stop selling at either one.
I just signed up to Bonanzle.com, http://www.bonanzle.com/booths/craftersnook. I though it was a pretty good site. I was able to import all of my ebay products. I started seeing them show up right away in the shopping search sites. I had my first sale within a week or two. Today though, I just found that my products that they submitted to thefind.com were showing up with someone else's link and business name, but when clicked, on would go to my site. I wrote them about it and will be eagerly waiting a response. So if I can't get that worked out, then I may have to close that store, otherwise, I will give them a chance. I was real excited that I sold something right away!
We also have a store at Prostores (from Ebay). http://www.craftersnook.net.
Prostores is our Main Store and it actually did pretty good for us, but they really don't work well with Google like our other sites do. We can't use Google Checkout with paying extra for it. So that is the real drawback.
I think Ecrater is one of my favorites. The main reason is because it is FREE and because they do real well with submitting my products in the searh engines without any real effort on my part. I think they are earning a good reputation and I sure hope they don't end up like eBay! I look forward to my continued business on Ecrater.com
Hello Hillary & Stacy.rnI enjoyed reading this and really liked the question/answer style. My husband and I have also sold our products on Ebay. We didn’t get rich, but we were comfortable with our sales and they were consistently rising for 5 yrs. We had 99.9%-100% Feedback most of the time. Then suddenly, as everyone else has experienced, fees raised, search results dropped, sales slowed down and our dsrs got marked down causing us to lose our high standing. I completely understand Ebay trying to weed out the bad sellers, but from what I have seen, they have weeded out alot of really great sellers in the process.rnrnI was really afraid that without eBay, we would not be able to market our products and continue our business. When things started to go downhill with eBay, my husband found out about Etsy and Ecrater. We signed up for both, http://www.craftersnook.ecrater.com rn and http://www.etsy.com/shop/Acraftersnook. It started off a little slow (compared to ebay), but then we were shocked at how well we started to do with both stores.rnrnEtsy has listing fees of $ .20 per item for 1 qty which is the real drawback. But one great feature they have is that I was able to create a tab on my facebook page for My Etsy Store. SWEET! Ecrater is completely FREE and they work directly with google attributes which is one of the best features I have seen from any of the stores that I have used. They also accept Google Checkout! We have had success with both of these stores and I don’t see any reason for us to stop selling at either one.rnrnI just signed up to Bonanzle.com, http://www.bonanzle.com/booths/craftersnook. I though it was a pretty good site. I was able to import all of my ebay products. I started seeing them show up right away in the shopping search sites. I had my first sale within a week or two. Today though, I just found that my products that they submitted to thefind.com were showing up with someone else’s link and business name, but when clicked, on would go to my site. I wrote them about it and will be eagerly waiting a response. So if I can’t get that worked out, then I may have to close that store, otherwise, I will give them a chance. I was real excited that I sold something right away!rnrnWe also have a store at Prostores (from Ebay). http://www.craftersnook.net.rnProstores is our Main Store and it actually did pretty good for us, but they really don’t work well with Google like our other sites do. We can’t use Google Checkout with paying extra for it. So that is the real drawback.rnrnI think Ecrater is one of my favorites. The main reason is because it is FREE and because they do real well with submitting my products in the searh engines without any real effort on my part. I think they are earning a good reputation and I sure hope they don’t end up like eBay! I look forward to my continued business on Ecrater.com
Somehow, a few clicks after a She-Ra related search, I found myself reading this blog posting. I used to be an eBay junkie in college, about ten years ago. I bought a bunch of stuff I didn’t need, including collectibles like G.I.Joe and Transformers (ah, such good memories). Unfortunately, I had no real place to put it all after moving a few times. I used storage for a while; but that was a waste of money, so I eventually donated the bulk of it to nostalgic friends & thrift stores. I always wondered what it would be like to sell items online, and this confirms it was more hassle than I would have wanted to deal with then. Now, faced with some family items to offload, I’ll have to take a look at eCrater.
Thanks be to you, for posting this information, and to Stacy for her input. I really appreciate operational advice from folks who’ve “been there, and done that.” I hope all is well with you both. Now I need to go look at the ugly sweaters, after all, ’tis the season.
Good interview.
My experience with eCrater is/was that the Google feed will amass large numbers of “hits” but few sales. If you are selling niche items that can draw repeat buyers the battle is half won; if you are selling “onsies,” you may get the infrequent sale, but each additional sale becomes a brand new uphill battle. Those I see doing well on EC (let’s say an item per day sold) are selling niche items such as sewing patterns or “big/tall mens’ clothing.”
Selling in a “niche” is where it’s at IMHO. Product acquisition then becomes the main issue/challenge.
I also like very much ecrater. I am selling both on ecrater and ebay and ecrater is much better than ebay, in terms of fees and buyer/seller friendly. Ebay is just a big corporation that is interesting only in making money, and completly forgot about the sellers, or the buyers. So many people have been scamed through ebay. But with ecrater, it is much better. This is like the grocery next door 🙂 And ebay is like the wall mart, only that on ebay the prices are much higher than on ecrater. Thats because of their insanly high fees.
I currently use eCrater (http://thetomsboutique.ecrater.com) and am very impressed. I tried eBay briefly, and was rather unimpressed with the low views and, once an item finally did sell, the high fees. After that, I tried eBid. Thankfully, I never got suckered into their Lifetime+ membership, but I did pay a few bucks to run some featured auctions. After a month or so there, I ended up with no sales.
So I gave eCrater a shot. I’ve been on there four months, and have two sales, but this was despite putting no effort whatsoever into marketing (and only having 16 items to begin with). I like that I can just toss the stuff up, have a constant presence on Google Shopping and, if the mood strikes, I can promote it at my own leisure. I like that model, instead of having to repost it over and over again and waiting for people to bid on it.
Keep that in mind, though, that if you are expecting to jump over to eCrater from eBay without missing a beat in terms of sales, you are sadly mistaken. Since it’s FREE, you have to do all the marketing and promoting yourself. It doesn’t have the high visibility of eBay, nor probably even half of the amount of users. But it fills its niche, and it fills it well.
Oh, and the eCrater forums are a plus, too. Good to know that if you ever have a question, there will always be people there to assist you!
Thanks for taking the time to write up such a comprehensive review, I appreciate it!
Sure, i do love ecrtaer too. After a long ebay difficult running. I am more interested in ecrater with easy setup rules,simple page build,and completely free listing.I am so glad to open my ecrater store:http://decoroilpaintings.ecrater.com .I think i will focus more a lot on ecrater in future.